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Serial killers in pop culture
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| Liflessdead |
Posted on September 11 2012 12:34
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When others speak of John Gacy,Ted Bundy or even Son of Sam,they forget about Serial Killers such as Gerold Stano who started killing as early as 1969 and continued through the decades almost unnoticed and un heard of to just name one.I know there must be hundreds of others who people never even heard of that deserve to be in pop culture that rank up there with Powerful names such as Ted Bundy, John Gacey.... If any of you know of or head of any Serial killers That deserve to be up in the rankings who dont get the fame they deserve lets hear what names you can come up with? |
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| Fedorfan |
Posted on September 11 2012 13:57
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I believe that Onoprienko is the most underrated serial killer of all time. It seems that the only ones that know of him are the serial killer enthusiasts, like us. The guy's got like 50 something kills, WTF!
There's less kills in the Resident Evil games, and now they make movies from the fucking thing!
"Only tears of sorrow can wash out the stain of shame; only pangs of suffering can blot out the fires of lust." -Lucian Staniak
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| saucyjack88 |
Posted on September 11 2012 16:02
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Liflessdead
When others speak of John Gacy,Ted Bundy or even Son of Sam,they forget about Serial Killers such as Gerold Stano who started killing as early as 1969 and continued through the decades almost unnoticed and un heard of to just name one.I know there must be hundreds of others who people never even heard of that deserve to be in pop culture that rank up there with Powerful names such as Ted Bundy, John Gacey.... If any of you know of or head of any Serial killers That deserve to be up in the rankings who dont get the fame they deserve lets hear what names you can come up with?
Well Liflessdead, a lot of people don't believe that serial killers deserve anything. Whether that's being included in "pop culture" or being "up in the rankings" or being "famous". A lot of people probably think that the only thing a serial killer deserves is to die a painful death, just like the victims of serial killers die painful deaths. If I come off as self-righteous, I apologize, that was not my intention. I just think that your question could have been worded better. 
"We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you?"
-Norman Bates, Psycho (1960)
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| Fedorfan |
Posted on September 11 2012 17:50
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Either way... Onoprienko... underrated. 
"Only tears of sorrow can wash out the stain of shame; only pangs of suffering can blot out the fires of lust." -Lucian Staniak
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| saucyjack88 |
Posted on September 11 2012 18:20
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Fedorfan
Either way... Onoprienko... underrated.
Completely agree, Fedorfan. Onoprienko was one of the few serial killers that I am aware of that was predominantly a family annihilator. His "victim" of choice was families. Blows my mind lol. I would also say that I don't hear too much about Lucian Staniak, "The Red Spider of Poland". Not that he killed a bunch of people, just that his communications with the media were very unique. That guy wrote some pretty interesting poetry. Translation: the f**ked up contents of a disturbed mind put onto paper. 
"We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you?"
-Norman Bates, Psycho (1960)
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| Repp Eternal |
Posted on September 11 2012 19:07
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saucyjack88 wrote:
Well Liflessdead, a lot of people don't believe that serial killers deserve anything.
Those people are wrong. Every serial killer deserves a cool song written about them. At a minimum.
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| Fedorfan |
Posted on September 11 2012 19:32
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Only if they're special. 
You're right, saucy. Staniak was a clever beast. There are so many out there that don't get the credit they deserve. My biggest peeve is Lucas. WTF is he so renowned? Really... Why???
"Only tears of sorrow can wash out the stain of shame; only pangs of suffering can blot out the fires of lust." -Lucian Staniak
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| Liflessdead |
Posted on September 12 2012 05:04
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Let"s not forget about Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins who deserves to at least be put on a Serial killer trading card.This dude was a sick Mother Fucker. |
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| blackcountryboy |
Posted on September 12 2012 05:08
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Repp Eternal wrote:
saucyjack88 wrote:
Well Liflessdead, a lot of people don't believe that serial killers deserve anything.
Those people are wrong. Every serial killer deserves a cool song written about them. At a minimum.
Dumbass Rader doesn't, unless it's called "I'm a boring dumbass who's gonna get caught cos I'm fucking stupid". |
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| jeffc |
Posted on September 12 2012 20:53
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blackcountryboy,
Rader is amusing in that he seems to think that there were requirements he needed to check off (seemingly based on Zodiac) in order to be a bona fide serial killer:
"Lets see...communication with the media...I've got my symbol...my cryptic poetry...I have suggested several monikers...yeah, I am good to go!"
Nevertheless, he was certainly a boring dumbass. |
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| Liflessdead |
Posted on September 13 2012 11:29
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saucyjack88 wrote:
Liflessdead
When others speak of John Gacy,Ted Bundy or even Son of Sam,they forget about Serial Killers such as Gerold Stano who started killing as early as 1969 and continued through the decades almost unnoticed and un heard of to just name one.I know there must be hundreds of others who people never even heard of that deserve to be in pop culture that rank up there with Powerful names such as Ted Bundy, John Gacey.... If any of you know of or head of any Serial killers That deserve to be up in the rankings who dont get the fame they deserve lets hear what names you can come up with?
Well Liflessdead, a lot of people don't believe that serial killers deserve anything. Whether that's being included in "pop culture" or being "up in the rankings" or being "famous". A lot of people probably think that the only thing a serial killer deserves is to die a painful death, just like the victims of serial killers die painful deaths. If I come off as self-righteous, I apologize, that was not my intention. I just think that your question could have been worded better. Serial Killers in Contemporary American Culture is namely inspired by the convergence of two basic desires,that being violence and stardom.We as people desire notoriety though most often this concept is unattainable.There lies a certain need within all of us to be noticed,be it by those whom we love and admire or by the world as a whole. This is a concept that every successful actor,musician,novelist,artist and serial killer have in commen.They all longed to smile for the camera |
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| omnivorism |
Posted on September 13 2012 11:54
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I think your idea that all of the serial killers strive for public attention, and that is their motive, is ridiculously naive.
I think that based on this, you seem to have a limited and stereotypical view about what defines a serial killer. |
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| Repp Eternal |
Posted on September 13 2012 14:53
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I believe this is called Marilyn Manson perception.
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| Fedorfan |
Posted on September 13 2012 15:52
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Liflessdead wrote:
Let"s not forget about Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins who deserves to at least be put on a Serial killer trading card.This dude was a sick Mother Fucker.
He actually killed someone while on death row. That deserves some sort of medal.
"Only tears of sorrow can wash out the stain of shame; only pangs of suffering can blot out the fires of lust." -Lucian Staniak
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| saucyjack88 |
Posted on September 13 2012 23:09
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Let's also not forget, while we're at it, that Gaskins killed that inmate WITH EXPLOSIVES on death row. What. The. F**K.  How does that happen? Lol
"We all go a little mad sometimes. Haven't you?"
-Norman Bates, Psycho (1960)
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| jayofsunshine10 |
Posted on September 15 2012 17:51
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saucyjack88 wrote:
Let's also not forget, while we're at it, that Gaskins killed that inmate WITH EXPLOSIVES on death row. What. The. F**K. How does that happen? Lol
Smuggled the explosive from the guy who wanted the inmate to die because the death penalty was taking to long....funny that this guy hated his loved one's killer so much that he hired a fellow inmate who was a serial killer and a baby rapist to carry the assassination out. How ironic.
He sawed a hole in a cup, put the explosive in, and then told the inmate it was gonna be used as a phone. The inmate was semi retarded and Gaskins gave him all kinds of stuff such as weed to make him trust him. He gave it to him through the vent. He was able to do it because he had a perfect plan and had help from the man who wanted the guy dead. |
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| Fedorfan |
Posted on September 16 2012 04:56
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If it was easy, everyone would be doing it.
"Only tears of sorrow can wash out the stain of shame; only pangs of suffering can blot out the fires of lust." -Lucian Staniak
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| Liflessdead |
Posted on September 18 2012 05:21
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omnivorism wrote:
I think your idea that all of the serial killers strive for public attention, and that is their motive, is ridiculously naive.
I think that based on this, you seem to have a limited and stereotypical view about what defines a serial killer. Does media coverage make a Serial Killer kill more people? Certainly it can be suggested that it does create copycat murders.If it wern"t for the media coverage,it's not likely that the average citizen could put the numbers and liklihood (similarities) together to figure out a serial activety.Only the media puts it all out there for everyone to read.No one can be a copycat without all of the information.Not all serial killers,set out to be famous.Some of them dont even know that they like nortoriety until they experiace it when they read a story about themselves in the paper.Once they read the story though, it has to have an effect.America has proven that stardom can be obtained by a Serial Killer |
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| omnivorism |
Posted on September 18 2012 11:59
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Liflessdead wrote:
omnivorism wrote:
I think your idea that all of the serial killers strive for public attention, and that is their motive, is ridiculously naive.
I think that based on this, you seem to have a limited and stereotypical view about what defines a serial killer. Does media coverage make a Serial Killer kill more people? Certainly it can be suggested that it does create copycat murders.If it wern"t for the media coverage,it's not likely that the average citizen could put the numbers and liklihood (similarities) together to figure out a serial activety.Only the media puts it all out there for everyone to read.No one can be a copycat without all of the information.Not all serial killers,set out to be famous.Some of them dont even know that they like nortoriety until they experiace it when they read a story about themselves in the paper.Once they read the story though, it has to have an effect.America has proven that stardom can be obtained by a Serial Killer
I think you are looking all of this from a romanticized point of view, that actually more or less distorts what defines a serial killer.
Some killers do want to be famous, yes. As in it is part of their motive for killing, but these are definitely in the minority. And this isn't just limited to sk's at all. Mark David Chapman was a bigger attention seeker than most any serial killer.
Some killers, once incarcerated do revel in their notoriety. But part of this is because they have a lot less to lose at that point, so other than a more severe sentence, they can basically say anything they want to. The other part, is because in general their lives are total shit. Their lives are amazingly dull, and so it gives them a little bit of excitement to antagonize others, relive the crimes etc. I am betting that most were a lot happier before they got caught, and didn't have to spend 23 hours a day in a small room.
People would kill people with or without media. Just like people would kill without guns, or even electricity or running water. I think fame being a motive for killing makes up a very small minority of serial killers. And "copycat" killers, I think are not only quite rare, but kind of extra pathetic. However, that is not to say that it isn't normal that a person who was really into the whole lust/thrill killing thing, to be interested or even inspired by real life killers they read about and saw. But the capacity and desire were there either way.
Edited by omnivorism on September 18 2012 12:08
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| jayofsunshine10 |
Posted on September 18 2012 21:07
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100% agreed.
I also want to point out that during Nazi germany Paul Ogorzow was raping and killing women and because the nazi government was censoring all of it it made it more easy for him to kill. Along with war time nazi germany in general made it easy for him such as the numerous black outs which actually allowed him to escape during one of the stings. Yeah, the nazi police officers almost caught him but lost him because the entire area went pitch black. |
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