At the suggestion of Omnivorism I decided to make this into a thread, since the shout box only gives you just so much space.
The topic at hand is did Dahmer murder Adam Walsh. Personally I have no clue, but I think he's a damn good suspect, and a far more likely one than Toole ever was. I think first and foremost we should look at Toole's track record. He was a serial confessor and confessed to countless murders that he never even committed. Here's a post from an actual officer who worked a few of the murders Ottis falsely confessed to. I found this over on topix and thought I should save it.
"OK, I can not stand it anymore, so here goes. First, I say our prayers are with the Walsh family for all
of their suffering and pain. Next I do not have anything to gain or loose, nobody to impress, nor do I give a damn about my grammer or spelling.
Years ago I talked with Texas Ranger Bobby Prince, who was handling Henry Lee Lucas. This conversation was concerning a murder that I was working on at the time in N.W. Fla. Prince told me first to get out the third grade dictionary to talk with Lucas. He aslo warned that Lucas and Toole would lie to you if you gave them too much information about a case. Prince advised that both would admit to any murder that you told them about. But, that Lucas had a remarkable memory about recalling counties (he could not remember cities, but could tell you the county in which he or Toole had murdered people) and Lucas could recall great detailes about clothing wore by a victim, etc. Lucas was not given hardly any information about the murder, except when, where and a description of the victim (w/m). Lucas could not give any info on the case. About two years later someone else talked to Toole about the murder and gave him too much information. Guess what folks. He confessed to it. Said where he pick the guy up at hitchiking, where they ate supper and how he killed him. The autopsy showed the victim had not eaten in over 24 hrs., this did not match Toole's, where they ate supper (45 miles from where the victim was killed at). Now I was at the autopsy and the dude did not have anything in his stomach, as the Medical Examiner stated. Now to make a long story short. Lucas and Tolle admitted to four murders in this three county area, over a period of time. In each of the case, law enforcement had different suspects and some witnesses. An over aggressive, famous in his own mind, about to retire FDLE Agent cleared all four murders with Lucas & Toole admissions, after they were given too much information. And the four real murders are still running around free (three murders, one of them died from a heart attach years later).
Now to the point, Toole admitted to the Adam Walsh murder years ago. The it was proven that he could not have committed the murder, because he was in jail in Tenn. for three weeks when Adam Walsh was abducted and murdered. When Toole was confronted with this information and asked why he had admitted to the Walsh murder. His responce was " Henry Lee is getting more publicity than I am and I don't like that". Now my question. What the hell has happen since that time (evidence, witnesses, etc) to change this case?
I know that Lucas and Toole have killed a lot of people. But, they have not killed as many as they have admitted too. Lucas beleived that the more he confessed too, the longer he could stay alive. And Toole was just a damn dumb idiot that wanted more publicity than Lucas. I beleive that a murder stays with basically the same M.O. Lucas and Toole did not dismember bodies that I know of, so why do this to Adam Walsh? Some bodies they buried, some they left where they killed them. It just sounds like some cop wanted to make a name for himself. Prove it and I will beleive it. Thanks for listening to the long story."
Toole had also said to Gerard Schaefer that he didn't do it, but Schaefer told him to just keep on confessing, so a book that Sondra London was writing on Henry and Ottis would sell better. Ottis was promised by London through Shaefer to get regular checks from sales of the book.
Toole originally claimed he confessed because he was mad at Henry for a number of reasons. The main one, because he killed his niece Becky, and he wanted to confirm that Henry really did kill her. So he was hoping if he confessed that him and Henry killed someone in Florida that they'd transfer Henry there and he could ask him in person. He was also mad at him and wanted to make him pay so he decided he'd get Henry in further trouble by confessing that Henry killed Adam.
But this all blew up for Ottis when it was proven that Henry wasn't even in the state at the time of the Walsh murder, so Ottis kept trying to get himself out of it, trying to take back the confession. Then for numerous reasons after recanting Ottis would say he did it again (such as what happened with Shaefer and London). Many investigators also think Toole was full of shit and had derailed the Walsh murder thanks to his confessions. One of the most obvious moments where Toole lied in his confessions was where he stated that Adam was wearing mittens. Like the kind you wear in winter. He was not wearing mittens however, which should be a clue that he's speaking bullshit.
Now on to the subject of Dahmer.
Dahmer could be placed at the mall by numerous eye witnesses, and also had lived and worked near by.
On the subject of M.O., Dahmer had been arrested for exposing himself in front of two boys, he had exposed himself infront of women and children at a fair, been arrested on multiple occasions by German police while in the Army, who had caught him exposing himself in front of children in a local park. Years later his own father stated that he believed Jeff had molested numerous children who he had never been charged for. He also told John Walsh that he believed his son had murdered Adam, stating how he was living and working in the area at the time.
Dahmer had also picked up victims from shopping malls in the past, Adam was also likely strangled, possible semen found in his throat meaning necrophilia, and he was decapitated.
So even though 6 does seem a bit young, he could just have been the youngest known victim. And other than that the M.O. seems very similar.
Dahmer also stated to an FBI agent who interviewed him that Adam's killer could not survive in any prison, meaning that everyone would want that guy dead. The public would want him to get the electric chair and inmates would be lining up just to kill him. And when asked if he'd take a polygraph on the murder he simply replied back to the agent "They have the death penalty in Florida don't they?" After that he turned it down, and his lawyer at the time refused to let any investigators question Dahmer on any unsolved murders. The Agent thought Dahmer was suggesting to him from his statements and reaction to the polygraph that he did in fact kill Adam, but just didn't want to confess to it.
Other than his own statements Dahmer had access to a blue work van similar to one seen by witnesses, and resembled the composite sketch of the abductor.
There's other pieces of circumstantial evidence against Dahmer, but those were the biggest.
Edited by The One and Only KillaG on September 08 2012 21:42
Another possible piece of evidence against Dahmer, was a blood covered maintenance room in the same building that Dahmer had worked at. A bloody palm print was also found in the room, and blood was even found on the ceiling.
This is not only one of the best books out there on Dahmer, it's also the best book on the Walsh case. It completely tears apart the case against Toole, and has interviews with numerous investigators who worked the case, who all give their opinions, and actually critique John Walsh's book Tears of Rage, which they make out to be a bunch of BS and inaccurate. They seem to also rip apart his book, showing the actual evidence and case files compared to Walsh's memory on what happened in his book. You'll be just as confused about who actually killed Adam as the police were by the end of the book, convinced Toole probably had nothing to do with it, and wishing they had pursued the Dahmer lead a bit better to atleast clear him properly as a suspect.
The book also contains interviews with co-workers and people who knew Dahmer while he was in Florida and in the Army. It's probably the best researched book on Dahmer, and I honestly wish Arthur Jay Harris would do a book chronicling Dahmer's entire life.
I still don't believe Dahmer did it, but now that I'm looking at the other info some of you posted, I'm positive Toole didn't do it either. Hell, maybe it really was Dahmer. Appears to be a more credible suspect than anyone else out there.
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