I do dislike the army and military.
I do in fact support our troops.
Why do I dislike the army/military?
Well for one, its been taken over by zealot, fundie christians who brain wash you with christianity. Ever heard of black water? Black water is a fundie christian zealot group that wants to literally turn the entire world fundie christian. Black water is a government run military. It came out recently that the creator of black water wants to conquer the entire world and turn it fundie christian. At least according to factual evidence and a former member.
Iv also heard soldiers view them selves as warriors for their deity and call them selves martyrs. In fact in jesus camp a little brainwashed girl tells the documentary film makers about her dad and his friends who would run around screaming MARTYR! MARTYR! as they killed muslims and ran into fire, and calls it cool. Black water kills little muslim children and innocent citizens, and recently a fuckhead judge let these fuckers off, and didnt find em guilty of murder...fuckin corrupt. Also army/military is very conformity, and I dislike conformity. But to say paint all US troops as monsters and twisted is fucked up, and I can see why Maal was pissed off. Not all military/army troops are monsters.
I just dont like it for its conformity and because its christian zealot martyrs bullshit.
Edited by JayCoedbutcher10 on 02/08/2010 11:18 AM
"For the last couple of weeks I have been fairly depressed...
During the deepest part of my depression couple of weeks ago I thought of committing suicide.
But I don't want to die before I have had the pleasure of fucking some girl.
So I decided to order a model gun from an ad in gallery magazine.
With this I was going to threaten a girl in one of the dark streets around here and rape her.
I planned to carry my father's scout knife strapped to the inside of my right leg.
If the girl caused any trouble I would kill her, for I was planning to kill my self anyhow,
and I had nothing to lose. [I was also planning on wearing a bella clava. So that
it would not be necessary to kill her unless she caused some trouble.]
After that I am not sure how soon I would kill my self.
I would wait for something to cause a deeper depression, and thus a reason
to kill myself. The day I would kill my self would be a sunday, for if I was going
to die, the people that made up my family were going to suffer.
At first I thought of using the rifle in my father's closet to kill them, but then
I thought about the fact that death is bliss, and I would not want them to be happy,
especially to have them enter the kingdom of death at the same time as myself." -RP.
No it isn't, it's a private security firm. It's not run by the govt, they work on a contractual basis to help provide specialized training and support.
And of course the military is about conforming. It's the military, not a rock and roll concert.
Someones failure to "conform" will get a bunch of other people killed because they were counting on that person to work as a team.
Edited by PhracK on 02/08/2010 1:23 PM
No it isn't, it's a private security firm. It's not run by the govt, they work on a contractual basis to help provide specialized training and support.
And of course the military is about conforming. It's the military, not a rock and roll concert.
Someones failure to "conform" will get a bunch of other people killed because they were counting on that person to work as a team.
True, but privately owned businesses/groups shouldnt be able to get help from our government, especially if its bigoted, and has an agenda. So in a way it is run by the government. Fuck black water.
"For the last couple of weeks I have been fairly depressed...
During the deepest part of my depression couple of weeks ago I thought of committing suicide.
But I don't want to die before I have had the pleasure of fucking some girl.
So I decided to order a model gun from an ad in gallery magazine.
With this I was going to threaten a girl in one of the dark streets around here and rape her.
I planned to carry my father's scout knife strapped to the inside of my right leg.
If the girl caused any trouble I would kill her, for I was planning to kill my self anyhow,
and I had nothing to lose. [I was also planning on wearing a bella clava. So that
it would not be necessary to kill her unless she caused some trouble.]
After that I am not sure how soon I would kill my self.
I would wait for something to cause a deeper depression, and thus a reason
to kill myself. The day I would kill my self would be a sunday, for if I was going
to die, the people that made up my family were going to suffer.
At first I thought of using the rifle in my father's closet to kill them, but then
I thought about the fact that death is bliss, and I would not want them to be happy,
especially to have them enter the kingdom of death at the same time as myself." -RP.
No, thats completely wrong.
Its not "run" by the govt at all.
Its a private company that provides security that accepts, among other things, contractual work from the govt. The govt doesn't "help" them at all. It says "Hey, see this convoy? Can you escort them from Point A to Point B without getting killed along the way for X amount of dollars"?
You know, like Boeing takes govt contracts to help build airplanes for the air force, when they are a private company that also does non govt work? Boeing isn't "run" by the govt either.
Just like Grumman, another company that does contracted work for the govt to help build space exploration equipment. They aren't govt run.
As far as the whole "Mad dictator running it planning to dominate the world with christian brainwashing" you claim it's based on "factual evidence"?
What factual evidence is there? One former employee shooting his mouth off trying to get attention?
That's not exactly credible "factual information", thats just some random crackpot pissed off because he was fired from his job. The courts listened to him at first, and eventually realized he's a crackpot as his stories kept changing and getting more off the wall, so they threw his statements out because they realized this guy is a joke.
The only real controversy with Blackwater is that they are technically mercinaries, working for money, and have been accused of using excessive force on a couple of instances. They dont have an "agenda" other than profit.
As for youre badmouthing the military, all I can say is that if it wasn't for that military, you wouldnt even have the right to post this kind of off the wall stuff on the internet without being arrested and locked up because weithout them, we'd have been taken over by a dictatorship decades ago.
And where do you get this whole "The military brainwashes you with Christianity" crap from? The military has nothing to do with religion. It's a militia, not a political or religious fanatical organization with an agenda.
Do a little bit more research next time about the subjects you are ranting about before getting on a soapbox, because it sounds like a far fetched James Bond movie villain's plot to take over the world, with nothing to back them up except bold dramatic statements and a lot of arm waving.
Edited by PhracK on 02/09/2010 9:19 AM
PhracK wrote:
No, thats completely wrong.
Its not "run" by the govt at all.
Its a private company that provides security that accepts, among other things, contractual work from the govt. The govt doesn't "help" them at all. It says "Hey, see this convoy? Can you escort them from Point A to Point B without getting killed along the way for X amount of dollars"?
You know, like Boeing takes govt contracts to help build airplanes for the air force, when they are a private company that also does non govt work? Boeing isn't "run" by the govt either.
Just like Grumman, another company that does contracted work for the govt to help build space exploration equipment. They aren't govt run.
As far as the whole "Mad dictator running it planning to dominate the world with christian brainwashing" you claim it's based on "factual evidence"?
What factual evidence is there? One former employee shooting his mouth off trying to get attention?
That's not exactly credible "factual information", thats just some random crackpot pissed off because he was fired from his job. The courts listened to him at first, and eventually realized he's a crackpot as his stories kept changing and getting more off the wall, so they threw his statements out because they realized this guy is a joke.
The only real controversy with Blackwater is that they are technically mercinaries, working for money, and have been accused of using excessive force on a couple of instances. They dont have an "agenda" other than profit.
As for youre badmouthing the military, all I can say is that if it wasn't for that military, you wouldnt even have the right to post this kind of off the wall stuff on the internet without being arrested and locked up because weithout them, we'd have been taken over by a dictatorship decades ago.
And where do you get this whole "The military brainwashes you with Christianity" crap from? The military has nothing to do with religion. It's a militia, not a political or religious fanatical organization with an agenda.
Do a little bit more research next time about the subjects you are ranting about before getting on a soapbox, because it sounds like a far fetched James Bond movie villain's plot to take over the world, with nothing to back them up except bold dramatic statements and a lot of arm waving.
Okay. Fine I was wrong. Yes if it werent for the military freedom wouldnt be. But it doesnt mean I have to like you personally, or suck your cock. I already said I respect our troops and support them. So dont try and say I dont support our troops. As for brainwashing in military. I am not wrong about that. You join the army as a non believer, and you will either be treated differently, there are bigoted seargants [look up Pat Tillman. Pat quite the NFL for the army and was shot by his own men by quote accident and its known he was constantly pissed on by his fellow soldiers for being a non believer, and not supporting the war. Also his sergeant insulted him after his death.] Also, you totally distorted my view. When I said took over I didnt mean to the extreme as you put it. I am saying there is an agenda that MANY are trying to enforce.
My cousins friend went to the military as a hardcore atheist and came back as a fundie christian, brainwashed by the army. I am not saying its a conspiracy, men in a black room stuff. I am imply saying it has a lot to do with it, and it how many see it. Thanks for distorting my view and turning it into some bazaar land paranoid fantasy.
As for you saying the fundamentalist black water agenda is not true. Any sources? Id know to know if I am wrong. I am perfectly fine with being wrong. So please, send some info?
"For the last couple of weeks I have been fairly depressed...
During the deepest part of my depression couple of weeks ago I thought of committing suicide.
But I don't want to die before I have had the pleasure of fucking some girl.
So I decided to order a model gun from an ad in gallery magazine.
With this I was going to threaten a girl in one of the dark streets around here and rape her.
I planned to carry my father's scout knife strapped to the inside of my right leg.
If the girl caused any trouble I would kill her, for I was planning to kill my self anyhow,
and I had nothing to lose. [I was also planning on wearing a bella clava. So that
it would not be necessary to kill her unless she caused some trouble.]
After that I am not sure how soon I would kill my self.
I would wait for something to cause a deeper depression, and thus a reason
to kill myself. The day I would kill my self would be a sunday, for if I was going
to die, the people that made up my family were going to suffer.
At first I thought of using the rifle in my father's closet to kill them, but then
I thought about the fact that death is bliss, and I would not want them to be happy,
especially to have them enter the kingdom of death at the same time as myself." -RP.
And Im not saying you have to like me or suck my cock, not sure why you are getting so defensive about that. I was correcting the facts, it's about accuracy.
So your basis of the army brainwashing people with Christianity is that your friend went from being an atheist to a christian after he joined up and you've heard about others doing the same?
Wheres the link to the army having brainwashed him against his will? People do convert when their circumstances change, even hardcore atheists do it. Happens every day, doesn't mean they were brainwashed. They are in a combat zone under fire, that makes most people hopeful that there is a god. Its even an old WWI slogan "There are no atheists in a foxhole".
I joined the military as a non believer, I still am. I was never questioned on it the whole time I was in the service. Nobody I was ever enlisted in was ever pressured over their religion.
The troops ARE the military. Without the troops, you have just a bunch of machinary laying around. Supporting the troops IS supporting the military.
And Im very familiar with Pat Tillmans case, he was killed when his platoon and another platoon mistook each other for an ambush and opened fire on each other, because a bomb exploded between them and they each thought the other side was an enemy ambush and decided to shoot first and ask questions later. It wasn't a conspiracy to kill him for his beliefs, it was panic, stupidity and incompetency by people who didn't follow their training, and the people who shot him didn't even know him because they were on a different platoon.Two other people died in that attack too on both sides. Thats the result of non-conformism in the military, not knowing what the others are doing leads to guessing, negligence, and mistakes that get people killed.
The "controversy" about his death was that they tried to cover up the accident, it had nothing to do with him being "murdered", they just didnt want to admit they fucked up. Only one tabloid show ("Hardball", which isnt known for its credibility) has suggested he was killed deliberately, and they couldnt find a single person to say he had enemies. Even his closest friends sad that claim he had "enemies" was preposterous. The producers of the show eventually admitted that they had no evidence to back it up, they were just guessing.
As far as his beliefs, he had his feelings written down in a notebook, and that was a violation of military protocol. Before you jump on with the whole "its forcing him to conform his thoughts" stuff, the reason its a violation was because any info on paper regarding our operations is a security risk if it falls into enemy hands, not because they want him to think like they do.
As far as his personal feelings, when you enlist, you sign a contract that all your personal feelings are put aside and you follow orders even if you disagree with them. There's no draft, people VOLUNTEER for service, knowing that they have to make that specific commitment. Nobody forces them to agree to it. At arrival in bootcamp, everyone is given a "moment of truth" where they are told that this is the last time to speak up if they have a problem with that.
Since he didn't speak up, he didnt have a problem with it, and therefore should have stuck to his agreement like everyone else does.
Yu ask me for sources, but you're the one claiming these agendas and conspiracies, not me. The burden of providing CREDIBLE sources (meaning, not conspiracy sites or tabloid media) is on you since youre the one making the claims, and insisting that theres "factual evidence" that proves it.
I asked you where you are getting that factual info from and what sources on my last post. Still waiting on that.
Edited by PhracK on 02/09/2010 12:48 PM
I never said it was murder. Also, let me explain my point.
Lets say there is a army, and 90% are...communist, and a lot of the soldiers see the combat as a way to fight for communism....I would say yes, its been taken over by communist. Im not saying its a....the army is out to do z, y, and z. As for everything else. thank you for informing me. As for defensive, I wasnt. I sincerely like to be corrected, and you did, thank you. But will you say that most soldiers in the USA army are republican christians who see this war as a trying to kill islam and enforce christianity?
Edited by JayCoedbutcher10 on 02/09/2010 12:44 PM
"For the last couple of weeks I have been fairly depressed...
During the deepest part of my depression couple of weeks ago I thought of committing suicide.
But I don't want to die before I have had the pleasure of fucking some girl.
So I decided to order a model gun from an ad in gallery magazine.
With this I was going to threaten a girl in one of the dark streets around here and rape her.
I planned to carry my father's scout knife strapped to the inside of my right leg.
If the girl caused any trouble I would kill her, for I was planning to kill my self anyhow,
and I had nothing to lose. [I was also planning on wearing a bella clava. So that
it would not be necessary to kill her unless she caused some trouble.]
After that I am not sure how soon I would kill my self.
I would wait for something to cause a deeper depression, and thus a reason
to kill myself. The day I would kill my self would be a sunday, for if I was going
to die, the people that made up my family were going to suffer.
At first I thought of using the rifle in my father's closet to kill them, but then
I thought about the fact that death is bliss, and I would not want them to be happy,
especially to have them enter the kingdom of death at the same time as myself." -RP.
JayCoedbutcher10 wrote:
I never said it was murder. Also, let me explain my point.
Lets say there is a army, and 90% are...communist, and a lot of the soldiers see the combat as a way to fight for communism....I would say yes, its been taken over by communist. Im not saying its a....the army is out to do z, y, and z. As for everything else. thank you for informing me. As for defensive, I wasnt. I sincerely like to be corrected, and you did, thank you. But will you say that most soldiers in the USA army are republican christians who see this war as a trying to kill islam and enforce christianity?
Not at all. Most of them see the war as a way to stop lunatics from crashing planes into us, or for political or econmic reasons.
If a military gets a lot of blacks to sign up and we eventually go to war with a white european country, thats like saying that the army is taken over by blacks who want to kill whites.
Most people in the USA are christian, it has nothing to do with their status in the army. So obviously since most of the US is christian, most of the people in the military is christian too. Most of them were christian long before they joined the army. They aren't fighting for Christianity, they are fighting for patriotism or because they get a paycheck and benefits for risking their lives. Maybe some do join up to kill muslims, but they dont announce "Im here to kill muslims" on their admission papers, they'd get their asses kicked out for making statements like that. It doesn't matter why some soldiers join, as long as they follow orders. Religion and personal motives are secondary to that.
JayCoedbutcher10 wrote:
I never said it was murder. Also, let me explain my point.
Lets say there is a army, and 90% are...communist, and a lot of the soldiers see the combat as a way to fight for communism....I would say yes, its been taken over by communist. Im not saying its a....the army is out to do z, y, and z. As for everything else. thank you for informing me. As for defensive, I wasnt. I sincerely like to be corrected, and you did, thank you. But will you say that most soldiers in the USA army are republican christians who see this war as a trying to kill islam and enforce christianity?
Not at all. Most of them see the war as a way to stop lunatics from crashing planes into us, or for political or econmic reasons.
If a military gets a lot of blacks to sign up and we eventually go to war with a white european country, thats like saying that the army is taken over by blacks who want to kill whites.
Most people in the USA are christian, it has nothing to do with their status in the army. So obviously since most of the US is christian, most of the people in the military is christian too. Most of them were christian long before they joined the army. They aren't fighting for Christianity, they are fighting for patriotism or because they get a paycheck and benefits for risking their lives. Maybe some do join up to kill muslims, but they dont announce "Im here to kill muslims" on their admission papers, they'd get their asses kicked out for making statements like that. It doesn't matter why some soldiers join, as long as they follow orders. Religion and personal motives are secondary to that.
Well you should know more then me and we agree on a large part.
So thanks for many corrections.
But your blacks comment wasnt really accurate to my claim. My claim is that US troops who are fundies do see it that way, including seargants, but its not like the entire military is like that. But according to you they arent the majority, I hope so and I am inclined to believe you.
"For the last couple of weeks I have been fairly depressed...
During the deepest part of my depression couple of weeks ago I thought of committing suicide.
But I don't want to die before I have had the pleasure of fucking some girl.
So I decided to order a model gun from an ad in gallery magazine.
With this I was going to threaten a girl in one of the dark streets around here and rape her.
I planned to carry my father's scout knife strapped to the inside of my right leg.
If the girl caused any trouble I would kill her, for I was planning to kill my self anyhow,
and I had nothing to lose. [I was also planning on wearing a bella clava. So that
it would not be necessary to kill her unless she caused some trouble.]
After that I am not sure how soon I would kill my self.
I would wait for something to cause a deeper depression, and thus a reason
to kill myself. The day I would kill my self would be a sunday, for if I was going
to die, the people that made up my family were going to suffer.
At first I thought of using the rifle in my father's closet to kill them, but then
I thought about the fact that death is bliss, and I would not want them to be happy,
especially to have them enter the kingdom of death at the same time as myself." -RP.
JayCoedbutcher10 wrote:
I never said it was murder. Also, let me explain my point.
Lets say there is a army, and 90% are...communist, and a lot of the soldiers see the combat as a way to fight for communism....I would say yes, its been taken over by communist. Im not saying its a....the army is out to do z, y, and z. As for everything else. thank you for informing me. As for defensive, I wasnt. I sincerely like to be corrected, and you did, thank you. But will you say that most soldiers in the USA army are republican christians who see this war as a trying to kill islam and enforce christianity?
Not at all. Most of them see the war as a way to stop lunatics from crashing planes into us, or for political or econmic reasons.
If a military gets a lot of blacks to sign up and we eventually go to war with a white european country, thats like saying that the army is taken over by blacks who want to kill whites.
Most people in the USA are christian, it has nothing to do with their status in the army. So obviously since most of the US is christian, most of the people in the military is christian too. Most of them were christian long before they joined the army. They aren't fighting for Christianity, they are fighting for patriotism or because they get a paycheck and benefits for risking their lives. Maybe some do join up to kill muslims, but they dont announce "Im here to kill muslims" on their admission papers, they'd get their asses kicked out for making statements like that. It doesn't matter why some soldiers join, as long as they follow orders. Religion and personal motives are secondary to that.
I totally agree with many things that you say .. there's only one sentence that may bring a bit misconception (before soem may understand you wrong) .. you may want to add that many black people who are supporting and enscribing the army are the ones who are raised on the standards of the country they are in .. in this topic we'd be speaking about America.
Misfortune, the kind of fortune that never misses. Beshenoy sobake sem' vyorst ne kryuk. Skol'ko volka ne kormi, on vsyo v les smotrit Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. Stravinsky.
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